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Community information => Issues & Enquiries => Topic started by: Hellbound on January 20, 2017, 22:12:47
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I hereby formally request for a complete audit of the current admin election.
Bez getting 50 votes as example is just ridiculous and completely unrealistic!
There aren't even that many active members on this forum, not to mention the 116 who have supposidly voted in total.
Clearly some people are voting with multiple accounts or the outcome is being manipulated by current admins.
I challenge you to prove your innocence and await presentation of formal findings, thank you.
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My only reaction is to laugh, ahahahahahah. Go check the number of active users on the forum and you'll see how many logged in the past few days, specially to vote
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Lol.
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My only reaction is to laugh, ahahahahahah. Go check the number of active users on the forum and you'll see how many logged in the past few days, specially to vote
How far can you go, Super Saiyan wise I mean? 1,2,3 of even 4 or blue saiyan or super saiyan god?
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44 Members were online today, Genius Muller, and 142 is the record number of online people, from December 1st, 2016. It's right there below the board, you can check. So 116 people voting over the course of a week, welp. Please, stop, before you make Shoarma and Co. look like mollusks..if you haven't already.
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My only reaction is to laugh, ahahahahahah. Go check the number of active users on the forum and you'll see how many logged in the past few days, specially to vote
Prove it.
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44 Members were online today, Genius Muller, and 142 is the record number of online people, from December 1st, 2016. It's right there below the board, you can check. So 116 people voting over the course of a week, welp. Please, stop, before you make Shoarma and Co. look like mollusks..if you haven't already.
OK I will log in with my 100 free accounts tomorrow and swing the result.
Good?
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Most Online Today: 44.
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Private Muller, this isn't Tomshardware, where you can make 100 emails and open 100 different accounts (who does that?). To be able to vote, or even see that thread, you have to be a FSP member first. I'm sure no one has 100 accounts on one server. The more you post, the dumber you get. I too. Be glad that you have 8 votes. During the pug election, we were able to recast our votes. Seeing the genius that you are, people cancelled your vote and voted Duro instead.
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Most Online Today: 44.
I can also log in 44 times.
What is your point?
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44 accounts were online at the same time on this very day? do i have to explain everything..
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Private Muller, this isn't Tomshardware, where you can make 100 emails and open 100 different accounts (who does that?). To be able to vote, or even see that thread, you have to be a FSP member first. I'm sure no one has 100 accounts on one server.
WOW, you are really smart to get to this concrete conclusion.
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44 accounts were online at the same time on this very day? do i have to explain everything..
And how many accounts do you think I have?
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And how many accounts do you think I have?
So you voted yourself 8 times then. Even though that's not possible.
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So you voted yourself 8 times then. Even though that's not possible.
How is it not possible?
Unlike some of you, I have credibility.
But if you want to be pathetic and play dirty, then so can I.
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Alright, you are claiming that's possible. Let's say it is. Vote yourself once more. let me see it turn to 10 from 8 in couple of minutes, wouldn't make any difference in your case, would it. If you can, I will back off. And you will have a valid claim.
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i may have mentioned admin votes were up in teamchat, of this game called guild wars 2, i think thats what this forum was made for anyway, then again, i believe thats the reason some ppl that never use forum decided to go vote.
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Alright, you are claiming that's possible. Let's say it is. Vote yourself once more. let me see it turn to 10 from 8 in couple of minutes, wouldn't make any difference in your case, would it. If you can, I will back off. And you will have a valid claim.
Do you honestly believe I am so stupid to delegitimize myself that obviously and get myself banned?? LOL
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Do you honestly believe I am so stupid to delegitimize myself that obviously and get myself banned?? LOL
Yes, but let's not venture there.
If someone wanted to ban you, you would be so..a long time ago. Since you are claiming there is a glitch, prove it. I'm sure no one will ban you for pointing out some issues.
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i may have mentioned admin votes were up in teamchat, of this game called guild wars 2, i think thats what this forum was made for anyway, then again, i believe thats the reason some ppl that never use forum decided to go vote.
Many people on TS are not registered on the forum and let us be honest, there aren't that many people using TS.
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If someone wanted to ban you, you would be so..a long time ago. Since you are claiming there is a glitch, prove it. I'm sure no one will ban you for pointing out some issues.
This is for the admins to prove.
My role is to present the claim of foul play.
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Many people on TS are not registered on the forum
There are 4908 members on this forum, and to be able to use TS permanently, you sort of have to register here and verify yourself. Where do you get these statistics ? The Illuminati page ?
and let us be honest, there aren't that many people using TS.
There were 90+ people on the green border channel alone on tonight's reset. You need glasses and hearing aid ?
This is for the admins to prove.
My role is to present the claim of foul play.
And you are sure you being a tool had nothing to do with it ?
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How many people that are active use ts permanently?
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At least 50-60 per day, just for public wvw, excluding the guild raids. On reset, as much as 200.
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Muller you are just a bad loser
I also made some advertisement for the Vote on the few Public Raids i leaded
If people dont like you (which is obviously like that if you just check the Voting) than just accept it and take it like Gunners who is not trying decade old tactics on trying to trashtalk a voting
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At least 50-60 per day, just for public wvw, excluding the guild raids. On reset, as much as 200.
You are very confident to state numbers when you are not even an admin.
Prove it then!
The mere fact of people constantly requesting TS access in map is enough to show that they do not bother to register on the forum.
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Muller you are just a bad loser
I also made some advertisement for the Vote on the few Public Raids i leaded
If people dont like you (which is obviously like that if you just check the Voting) than just accept it and take it like Gunners who is not trying decade old tactics on trying to trashtalk a voting
Nourdin you do not even know how to swing an axe and since you have nothing intelligent and meaningful to mention but insults, rather learn some manners and be quiet unless you are spoken to.
You clearly haven't even read what I commented since it is too much for your brain to comprehend and process, just like Trump winning the American presidency.
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hellfound dw next time you can consult with us and we will make you like donald ok?
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Muller you are just a bad loser
I also made some advertisement for the Vote on the few Public Raids i leaded
If people dont like you (which is obviously like that if you just check the Voting) than just accept it and take it like Gunners who is not trying decade old tactics on trying to trashtalk a voting
Nourdin you do not even know how to swing an axe and since you have nothing intelligent and meaningful to mention but insults, rather learn some manners and be quiet unless you are spoken to.
You clearly haven't even read what I commented since it is too much for your brain to comprehend and process, just like Trump winning the American presidency.
You seem to be the one going on insults and personal attacks. Election period almost over, and as such, comming monday, rules will start being enforced again with no exceptions.
Also, you don't need to be admin to see how much people are active on a daily basis both in forum or TS
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You seem to be the one going on insults and personal attacks. Election period almost over, and as such, comming monday, rules will start being enforced again with no exceptions.
Also, you don't need to be admin to see how much people are active on a daily basis both in forum or TS
If you had any idea how to read you would actually see that I am responding to insults.
But it is fine, continue living with your biased blinkers on and enjoy the success of your cheated election which cannot be verified.
GG.
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Let's say it like this... when you act like an ass then people are actually going to come on the forum and vote against you even if they barely use the forum
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I'm pretty sure the API verification system forces every vote to be linked to a single non-duplicated gw2 account. So it'd be impossible to create 40 accounts and vote with them, you can spam the public sections with those 40 accounts though.
Stats can be found here: https://farshiverpeaks.com/index.php?action=stats (https://farshiverpeaks.com/index.php?action=stats)
They can't prove no abuse happened, but they do prove activity on this forum is more than sufficient for the number of votes.
Wanna prove cheating is an possibility, just create a poll and record yourself giving 50 votes to a single option.
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I made 25 account to vote for Bez, than 15 for Dudu and 15 for Nora.
At the end I made 1 extra for Muller so hes not last.
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Let's say it like this... when you act like an ass then people are actually going to come on the forum and vote against you even if they barely use the forum
Please be so generous to indicate where I acted like an ass in game with the leadup to the election that will causes masses to rise up and come to the forum to vote against me with only a few frequenting the forum otherwise?
Here is a hint, I have not been active in game since Thursday.
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These few people frequenting the forum can actually tell friends to get on the forum to vote... so there you go. Mystery solved
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Please be so generous to indicate where I acted like an ass in game with the leadup to the election that will causes masses to rise up and come to the forum to vote against me with only a few frequenting the forum otherwise?
Here is a hint, I have not been active in game since Thursday.
You are an ass, you don't have to act like one. You just remind everyone of that every now and then. Don't fuckin lie, you were active on the game last night, trashing on home bl mapchat, syncing along with the Shoarma and Banging Blossoms (LLL) barbershop quartet. But you knew that you would lose badly, that's why instead of doing #vote4dipshit on map and teamchat, you just went on a salt rant. You had some more salt left, thus, this retarded topic. Moreover, not just an ass, a dumbass. People really don't care what you do, they logged in to vote for their choices..like Bez/Nora/Dudu etc. You advertised it for them a bit. You just didn't get the vote. But here you are with a tinfoil hat, with 'dunce' written on it..claiming this to be a conspiracy.
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These few people frequenting the forum can actually tell friends to get on the forum to vote... so there you go. Mystery solved
Then those friends still need to register and authenticate since they are all temp which will cause a spike of 100 users in one week.
Please man.
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You are an ass, you don't have to act like one. You just remind everyone of that every now and then. Don't fuckin lie, you were active on the game last night, trashing on home bl mapchat, syncing along with the Shoarma and Banging Blossoms (LLL) barbershop quartet. But you knew that you would lose badly, that's why instead of doing #vote4dipshit on map and teamchat, you just went on a salt rant. You had some more salt left, thus, this retarded topic. Moreover, not just an ass, a dumbass. People really don't care what you do, they logged in to vote for their choices..like Bez/Nora/Dudu etc. You advertised it for them a bit. You just didn't get the vote. But here you are with a tinfoil hat, with 'dunce' written on it..claiming this to be a conspiracy.
Last night was not Thursday. Last night was Friday. WOW.
It is truely unbelievable how lost you are.
Is there anything I can do to wake you up from your delusion?
I am still waiting for evidence that the results are legit and that you didn't go vote with your 20 free accounts.
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You really are special ain't you?
There are nearly 5k registered users on the forum and definately a few 100 which are already authenticated if you check guild rosters for example
And you claiming that everyone is running temp shows that you are not enough on ts
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Last night was not Thursday. Last night was Friday. WOW.
It is truely unbelievable how lost you are.
Is there anything I can do to wake you up from your delusion?
I am still waiting for evidence that the results are legit and that you didn't go vote with your 20 free accounts.
Here is a hint, I have not been active in game since Thursday.
Let's try this again, with you deviating way off topic. The bold underlined sentence, what does it mean ? Check online English dictionary and come back. And talk more about my 20 fake accounts. Of course, you are retarded, and don't accept that it's impossible to create fake accounts and vote. I told you to do so, to prove yourself since you claimed you have fake accounts too, to vote on them. You failed. Dumbass..
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Please be so generous to indicate where I acted like an ass in game with the leadup to the election that will causes masses to rise up and come to the forum to vote against me with only a few frequenting the forum otherwise?
Here is a hint, I have not been active in game since Thursday.
You are an ass, you don't have to act like one. You just remind everyone of that every now and then. Don't fuckin lie, you were active on the game last night, trashing on home bl mapchat, syncing along with the Shoarma and Banging Blossoms (LLL) barbershop quartet. But you knew that you would lose badly, that's why instead of doing #vote4dipshit on map and teamchat, you just went on a salt rant. You had some more salt left, thus, this retarded topic. Moreover, not just an ass, a dumbass. People really don't care what you do, they logged in to vote for their choices..like Bez/Nora/Dudu etc. You advertised it for them a bit. You just didn't get the vote. But here you are with a tinfoil hat, with 'dunce' written on it..claiming this to be a conspiracy.
You called me Shoarma and not Yomiji. Thanks Lance. Much appreciated :).
I dont have a barbershop tho. I have a shoarma restaurant.
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You really are special ain't you?
There are nearly 5k registered users on the forum and definately a few 100 which are already authenticated if you check guild rosters for example
And you claiming that everyone is running temp shows that you are not enough on ts
And how many of these so called 5k on a 4yo forum is still active?
Please present some facts and stop sucking assumptions out of your thumb.
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Let's try this again, with you deviating way off topic. The bold underlined sentence, what does it mean ? Check online English dictionary and come back. And talk more about my 20 fake accounts. Of course, you are retarded, and don't accept that it's impossible to create fake accounts and vote.
What are you trying to say here Mr. Genius? You are making zero sense.
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Tell us the meaning of that underlined sentence that I have quoted from you.
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Take out the not and replace it with an only then you maybe will understand it better.
Is Grammar Policing now part of your executive role also?
If you haven't noticed yet, I am still waiting for evidence that the election is legit and that you didn't vote with 20 free accounts.
Thank you.
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I am still waiting for evidence that the results are legit and that you didn't go vote with your 20 free accounts.
Well if I take the week when the election was running and just for fun let's include the week before as wel.
The memberlist shows 23 new users.
Of those 23 only 11 have access to the section the poll was in.
One of those 11 hasn't logged in since before the election started.
Leaving 10 people.
If we take another week making it 3 weeks total, you can count one more user making it 11.
So even if we where to assume all of them are the same person trying to rig the election (and we have absolutely no evidence this is the case) they still couldn't have made a difference in who becomes admin as the difference between 3rd and 4th is 18 votes.
This information is gathered from the memberlist, I'm not entirely sure if this is public or not (as I have acces to some hidden section as per my role in helping with TS). That said any admin and moderator can easily verify this.
Here is the link: https://farshiverpeaks.com/index.php?action=mlist (https://farshiverpeaks.com/index.php?action=mlist)
As I said not everyone might have the required permissions.
I haven't included a screen as in case it's hidden that's not my place to do.
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Thank you for your analysis and input Alwies.
I am not saying that accounts were created during this past week.
People have been creating additional accounts and leveling characters 1.5 years ago when the game went free to play, and even before that some people acquired additional accounts when promotions were offered.
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Take out the not and replace it with an only then you maybe will understand it better.
Is Grammar Policing now part of your executive role also?
If you haven't noticed yet, I am still waiting for evidence that the election is legit and that you didn't vote with 20 free accounts.
Thank you.
Last night was not Thursday. Last night was Friday. WOW.
It is truely unbelievable how lost you are.
But when I claimed you were online on Friday, your response was this..you do that more often, don't you, respond without realizing what's going on. Of course you don't, you don't have that capability. No one voted with 20 accounts, you bovine. That simply isn't possible. However, last night on reset, Bez had 90 on TS. 50 voting for him, well, possible ? Maybe not for you, as you are a mollusk.
People have been creating additional accounts and leveling characters 1.5 years ago when the game went free to play, and even before that some people acquired additional accounts when promotions were offered.
Probably, but no one has 20 additional accounts. Even of someone has additional accounts, not on this server. I have an alt account, it's on Desolation. No point keeping the other one here. Then again, you don't have the capability to fathom that either.
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Thank you for your analysis and input Alwies.
I am not saying that accounts were created during this past week.
People have been creating additional accounts and leveling characters 1.5 years ago when the game went free to play, and even before that some people acquired additional accounts when promotions were offered.
Fair enough.
Though in all honesty it's less work convincing 20 people to vote for you than it's to register 20 emails, 20 gw2 accounts, 20 access requests, spreading them out so it's hard be to noticed and not to mention possible ways to evade your IP giving you away.
Any accusation that's based on suspicion only is very hard to disprove as there's no evidence to discredit.
In "the real world" it's required to prevent evidence to avoid this issue and give your claim value.
Otherwise I could for example claim Captain Kirk from the starship Enterprise beamed in and stole my money. No one can really disprove it completely, they can only address the likelihood of my claim being possible. While it's a way more ridiculous version the point remains accurate.
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As you well know I am not an admin to provide any evidence, which is why I am requesting for it.
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As you well know I am not an admin to provide any evidence, which is why I am requesting for it.
You have to present claim evidence first. And besides, why would an admin disclose the names of people who voted for Bez, so you and Shoarma people can trash them too ? Usually Shoarma supports your retarded claims, but this one is so dumb, even he's not here backing you up.
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Well yea but for the admins to work and investigate this they might want a reason.
A claim by an individual without supporting evidence might just simply not be enough.
Though I can't speak for them.
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You have well theorized the possibility as an additional source.
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You have to present claim evidence first. And besides, why would an admin disclose the names of people who voted for Bez, so you and Shoarma people can trash them too ? Usually Shoarma supports your retarded claims, but this one is so dumb, even he's not here backing you up.
I never said the names of the voters have to be disclosed. This is another of your dumb assumptions.
Names can be anything in anycase, so it will be completely useless as evidence.
Since you have zero technical experitise, you should honestly consider being quiet about the matter, beause all your comments are making you out as one massive joke.
There are valid claims in this request which even Alwies confirmed.
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I never said the names of the voters have to be disclosed. This is another of your dumb assumptions.
Names can be anything in anycase, so it will be completely useless as evidence.
Since you have zero technical experitise, you should honestly consider being quiet about the matter, beause all your comments are making you out as one massive joke.
There are valid claims in this request which even Alwies confirmed.
There is nothing technical about this. You are claiming that multiple accounts voted for Bez, and 20 of them were mine. On what basis you are claiming that ? Where do you see the foul play. You are just mucking about without any actual facts. Alwies didn't confirm anything, he just pointed out that how ridiculous and empty your claim is.
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There is nothing technical about this. You are claiming that multiple accounts voted for Bez, and 20 of them were mine. On what basis you are claiming that ? Where do you see the foul play. You are just mucking about without any actual facts.
Go read my original post again, maybe you will understand it then.
Your 20 accounts was a hypothetical example, but I guess you don't know what that is either.
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Go read my original post again, maybe you will understand it then.
Your 20 accounts was a hypothetical example, but I guess you don't know what that is either.
There is nothing you post is understandable. Anyway, you said that 50 votes of Bez is unrealistic, and multiple accounts did that. Why do you think so. And how did that happen ? Where is the proof of that.
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There is nothing you post is understandable. Anyway, you said that 50 votes of Bez is unrealistic, and multiple accounts did that. Why do you think so. And how did that happen ? Where is the proof of that.
It is called rational logic, clearly you have none. I can encourage you to go do some math courses to help improve on it.
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It is called rational logic, clearly you have none. I can encourage you to go do some math courses to help improve on it.
Logic went out of the window when you claimed that people made multiple accounts to vote for Bez.
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Logic went out of the window when you claimed that people made multiple accounts to vote for Bez.
That is how someone without a proper school education thinks.
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That is how someone without a proper school education thinks.
You know so much about everyone. Use that somewhere better, cure cancer. You just made a major grammatical mistake few posts ago, and talking about education. Retard..
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You know so much about everyone. Use that somewhere better, cure cancer. You just made a major grammatical mistake few posts ago, and talking about education. Retard..
Yes, because, of course, you need to be an expert to not make any grammatical mistakes.
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I also want you to prove your 8 votes, i find it somewhat difficult to believe that 8 different people voted for you... Prove it.
See? It's easy to jsut make acusations without a reasoning or any proof behind. No matter what you want or dream, all the votes have been legit and regarding those 10 new users that alwies mentionned, doesn't mean some1 made 10 new accounts. Just means maybe those people actually wanted to vote or give their opinion on the matter.
You should focus less on making drama, and focus more in other positive things (I know right? i was laughing when i wrote this last sentence)
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Actually that was me I made 10 people who weren't registered on fsp website vote ... I paid them
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I also want you to prove your 8 votes, i find it somewhat difficult to believe that 8 different people voted for you... Prove it.
See? It's easy to jsut make acusations without a reasoning or any proof behind. No matter what you want or dream, all the votes have been legit and regarding those 10 new users that alwies mentionned, doesn't mean some1 made 10 new accounts. Just means maybe those people actually wanted to vote or give their opinion on the matter.
You should focus less on making drama, and focus more in other positive things (I know right? i was laughing when i wrote this last sentence)
WOW, the logic!
You are currently the admin, aren't you?
Now be an admin and provide credible evidence that the voting results are distinct.
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I call mighty dansker to solve this mystery so Muller can finally realize how ridiculous this gets
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Teehee.
Hihihihihihi, oeh hahahahahaha.
Sorry, I farted and it tickled my sphincter.
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So muller, you are asking to name who voted for who? Like Lance pointed out some posts ago...
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Not sure why i bother with this but...
The only person who could edit the result, without anyone knowing, would be me. If i really wanted.
Some interesting info about who voted.- Only 3 people did not have HoT
- Of the accounts used, only 2 was created in 2016, the rest was older (seems we need some new blood on the forum / in wvw, like we didn't know already though)
- Of the accounts used, only 12 was created in 2015, whom 3 voted for dudu, 4 voted for hellbound and 5 voted for bez.
There is some other fun stuff in there also, but it could potentially be used to identify how some people voted, given enough external data, so i wont share that.
Query used if anyone care about what i actually looked at (poll_choice, world, created[timestamp], access[normal, hot, freetoplay])
But again, you will just have to trust me on that one.
SELECT p.id_choice, a.a_world, SUBSTR(a.a_created, 1, 7) AS created, a.a_access FROM smf_log_polls p
LEFT JOIN gw2_integration_live.gw2integration_user_service_links l ON p.id_member = l.service_user_id AND l.service_id = 0
LEFT JOIN gw2_integration_live.gw2integration_accounts a ON l.link_id = a.link_id
WHERE p.id_poll = 41
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Thank you for the hassle Dankster, some people just wana waste your time with useless stuff. Thank you for taking the time and clarifying everything
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All hail Dansker
Thank you very much for noticing me Senpai :-*
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So muller, you are asking to name who voted for who? Like Lance pointed out some posts ago...
It is a little more technical than that, but I am not expecting you to understand.
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Thank you for the hassle Dankster, some people just wana waste your time with useless stuff. Thank you for taking the time and clarifying everything
And some people are just desperate to stay in control because it makes them seem important.
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
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Apparently there is someone who is dedicated enough to make 50 accounts in gw2 and verifying on this site and then voting for bez or Dudu just so you can lose the elections.
I really want to meet that dedicated imaginary person.
But it might just be that you are using too much cocaine that is increasing your paranoia.
No one would actually invest that much effort in making you lose when you are doing it for them.
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Registering 50 accounts does not take long.
The only thing that takes some time is to level characters to 60, but with multibox this is not even an issue.
And I am not saying that one person has 50 accounts, but 10 sad people can have 5 additional accounts, the math is really not complicated.
Now go suck something else out of your thumb.
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So in your world... 5 people bought HoT 10 times and registered on FSP forum in 2014 just so they could manipulate this election?
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Various people have multiple accounts before HoT was even announced when the base game was discounted at 50% etc, not to mention the $9 fire sale before the HoT announcement.
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Time to start reading what Dansker wrote:
"Only 3 people did not have HoT"
So that means 47 HoT editions of the game
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You do know there was a big promotion on HoT a few months ago right?
So people with free accounts would have upgraded.
There are many people who play on multiple accounts.
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The main reason for a WvW player to have multiple accounts would be to play on a different server and then voting on the FSP forum is not going to work due to the API key
Besides even if Dansker comes with IP proof then i'm sure you would pull the proxy card up next to manipulate the IP adress
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Are you the technical admin now? Do you know how the API and functionality of the forum work?
And please stop wasting your energy in trying to convince me that there is no foul play with election when you aren't the person writing code and unable to provide physical evidence of legitimacy.
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
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Are you the technical admin now? Do you know how the API and functionality of the forum work?
And please stop wasting your energy in trying to convince me that there is no foul play with election when you aren't the person writing code and unable to provide physical evidence of legitimacy.
I asked some guildies to vote for Bez so there you have proof of some votes.. even if there was some foulplay it's not going to count for that many votes and you would still have lost the election
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I asked some guildies to vote for Bez so there you have proof of some votes.. even if there was some foulplay it's not going to count for that many votes and you would still have lost the election
Again you are making assumptions without any hard and physical facts.
Please just stop because you are only making yourself look silly.
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The only person who could edit the result, without anyone knowing, would be me. If i really wanted.
Except of course if it was Russian hackers that wanted Hellbound to win, they could probably do it too. But if he didnt, I suppose not even they wanted him.
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Do you at least want me Wafalls? Do you want me all over you?
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I've got to ask this, are you like mental or incapable of understanding any answers that have been given to you?
Dansker legit got the codes on how the poll and voting works and YOU are still questioning whether they are legitimate or not. I understand that you like to troll people and keep going with the "keyboard warrior" movements but isn't this getting a little bit ridiculous now. He gave you the data which he did not need to do and you still think the votes are rigged just because you don't have as many votes?
Dude you need to chill.
-Des
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Well Des, you are clearly unable to mentally understand what I have already repeated several times in this thread, so just like Kris, you are wasting your time with your empty comment lacking any physical evidence since you aren't a technical admin.
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
First of all in your sentence MAC and physical adres are the same thing.
While MAC can be found out someways, it's way harder than finding out the IP(for an website) and I believe requires actions from the user for the website to even be able to do it. I'd bet on it that FSP doesn't log them.
IP's are logged, if there where 10 identical ones i think Dansker would have noticed. Can't do much against VPNs.
That all being said if someone or even multiple people spend at least 3 years preparing for something like this and buying HoT 47 times, well they fucking deserve to win the election. I know they would get my vote, I mean they/he/she already spend 5 times the effort that an admin normally does in 3 months.
Yes it's very possible a few select people could have theoretically voted multiple times, but not nearly enough to even make any difference at all.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible. But it's about as likely as me having hacked all the accounts from everyone in this thread and having a discussion with myself.
PS. If i made a mistake forgive me, I'm not as good as Dansker.
PPS. Really if I where to rig an election I'd just ask 50 guildies to vote, perhaps give them a bit of gold. Way way, way more easy and reliable than what your suggesting.
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MAC and hardware/physical address are not the same thing.
Geesh Alwies, you should know this.
The one is from your network adapter and the other is from your physical hardware - HDD or mainboard.
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Keep in mind that my IP changes everyday, because our ISPs are just awesome.
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MAC and hardware/physical address are not the same thing.
Geesh Alwies, you should know this.
The one is from your network adapter and the other is from your physical hardware - HDD or mainboard.
Here you go:
http://whatismyipaddress.com/mac-address
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27016868/what-is-the-difference-between-a-physical-address-and-mac-address-in-networking
http://sites.allegheny.edu/its/residence-hall-network-and-services/computer-adapter-address/
Really curious how the HDD got in there? I've got 2 :P how does that work?
Also isn't a network adapter physical hardware?
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This guy is beyond retard now. He needs exorcism.
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Here you go:
http://whatismyipaddress.com/mac-address (http://whatismyipaddress.com/mac-address)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27016868/what-is-the-difference-between-a-physical-address-and-mac-address-in-networking (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27016868/what-is-the-difference-between-a-physical-address-and-mac-address-in-networking)
http://sites.allegheny.edu/its/residence-hall-network-and-services/computer-adapter-address/ (http://sites.allegheny.edu/its/residence-hall-network-and-services/computer-adapter-address/)
Really curious how the HDD got in there? I've got 2 :P how does that work?
Also isn't a network adapter physical hardware?
Your logic does not surprise me at all Alwies.
After all, you were in dF, one of the original trademark guilds who would run past a flipping objective instead of defending it.
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Can we just close this Thread? The mystery got solved and Muller is just getting more and more ridiculous. We got many views on our forum because of that thread and I dont even think its that good with such a mindless person doing such a ridiculous discussion on the forums ppl propably just laugh about us xD (and vote against him again)
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Your logic does not surprise me at all Alwies.
After all, you were in dF, one of the original trademark guilds who would run past a flipping objective instead of defending it.
Oh poor you, other people not defending. Want a tissue?
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Can we just close this Thread? The mystery got solved and Muller is just getting more and more ridiculous. We got many views on our forum because of that thread and I dont even think its that good with such a mindless person doing such a ridiculous discussion on the forums ppl propably just laugh about us xD (and vote against him again)
The only mindless one between us is you Nourdin, since you have no clue what I am even implying.
Then again I am not expecting anyone without any math education to have any degree of logic.
What I do expect though is for you to stop wasting your energy with your empty and stupid comments.
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
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Muller basically says that if he wins then the elections are true but if he loses then they are obviously rigged.
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Muller basically says that if he wins then the elections are true but if he loses then they are obviously rigged.
The logic of a person with no country.
I believe my requests are very clear.
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i agree witn nourdin to close this topic, this looks more like a topic to put each other down we just play a game to have fun not to put each other down just to set yourself in a better daylight.
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
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Dansker, as technical admin, can you confirm whether there IP, MAC and hardware address checks to determined unique and distinct voters?
In other words, is it possible for a single person to use more than one verified account to vote with?
Zero duplicates
SELECT COUNT(*) FROM smf_log_polls p
LEFT JOIN smf_members m ON m.id_member = p.id_member
WHERE p.id_poll = 41
GROUP BY
m.member_ip
HAVING
COUNT(*) > 1
As for MAC address, it isn't possible for me to get that without you installing some custom software from me.
The way TCP/IP works, is that the MAC address is stripped each time a message is relayed between routers
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/IP_stack_connections.svg/350px-IP_stack_connections.svg.png)
The link layer containing the MAC address (and various other information specific for communicating with the target router), is basically removed each time the packet passes through a router.
As for something like Motherboard id, that is never sent over TCP/IP and would definitely require people to install custom software from me
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What that query does is retrieve the distinct user accounts that voted.
What I am claiming is that one person can have multiple user accounts to vote with to manipulate the election result.
Where there are no proper IP address, MAC address, Hardware ID (hard drive or motherboard), or even bloody cookie checks the results are open for manipulation.
I am therefore challenging you to prove me wrong in my claim with physical evidence from the logged data.
Unique IP address verification is one measure to use, but even this is not reliable due frequent IP address changes by ISPs and VPN usage.
I don't know what you code with, but here are some hints....
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420381/how-can-i-get-the-mac-and-the-ip-address-of-a-connected-client-in-php
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850650/reliable-method-to-get-machines-mac-address-in-c-sharp
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4084402/get-hard-disk-serial-number
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Thread will be closed as soon admin elections end, with the OP being answered
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Thread will be closed as soon admin elections end, with the OP being answered
Yes, end a very important election unverified and illegitimate.
You are the one who will be carrying that reputation.
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What that query does is retrieve the distinct user accounts that voted.
What I am claiming is that one person can have multiple user accounts to vote with to manipulate the election result.
Where there are no proper IP address, MAC address, Hardware ID (hard drive or motherboard), or even bloody cookie checks the results are open for manipulation.
I am therefore challenging you to prove me wrong in my claim with physical evidence from the logged data.
Unique IP address verification is one measure to use, but even this is not reliable due frequent IP address changes by ISPs and VPN usage.
I don't know what you code with, but here are some hints....
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420381/how-can-i-get-the-mac-and-the-ip-address-of-a-connected-client-in-php (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420381/how-can-i-get-the-mac-and-the-ip-address-of-a-connected-client-in-php)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850650/reliable-method-to-get-machines-mac-address-in-c-sharp (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850650/reliable-method-to-get-machines-mac-address-in-c-sharp)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4084402/get-hard-disk-serial-number (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4084402/get-hard-disk-serial-number)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420381/how-can-i-get-the-mac-and-the-ip-address-of-a-connected-client-in-php (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420381/how-can-i-get-the-mac-and-the-ip-address-of-a-connected-client-in-php)
(https://i.imgur.com/nczuSFa.png)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850650/reliable-method-to-get-machines-mac-address-in-c-sharp (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850650/reliable-method-to-get-machines-mac-address-in-c-sharp)
The user is assuming the C# installation is running on the client. e.g imagine Terraria that is written in C# want to get your MAC Address, it can, because it is installed on your pc.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4084402/get-hard-disk-serial-number (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4084402/get-hard-disk-serial-number)
C# again and once again installed on the client.
As i said, unless a program developed by me (could be in C#) is installed on the client, there is no way to get that information
Honestly, it isn't that difficult to predict the outcome of the election, the people who win, will be the people who can motivate the most people to get on the forum and vote and in the case of guild leaders, that is an easy task.
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Oh and about cookies, i think most people know how to clear cookies, so they definitely aren't reliable.
The only proof of authenticity available is the API Key, which proves they spent money on a GW2 account. Outside that, it is the internet, you can't do much else.
I am at least of the belief that Occam's razor is perfectly applicable in this instance.
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Regardless of William Occam perceiving to be very smart, you do not disprove claims with assumptions and theoretical possibilities, you can only do it with hard facts, which you are clearly uninclined to do.
The fact remains that one person can vote with multiple authenticated accounts, which completely discredits the outcome of the election.
Unless hard physical evidence is presented of legitimacy that it is not the case, the election will carry the reputation of being rigged, simple.
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Regardless of William Occam perceiving to be very smart, you do not disprove claims with assumptions and theoretical possibilities, you can only do it with hard facts, which you are clearly uninclined to do.
The fact remains that one person can vote with multiple authenticated accounts, which completely discredits the outcome of the election.
Unless hard physical evidence is presented of legitimacy that it is not the case, the election will carry the reputation of being rigged, simple.
I cannot prove authenticity, as i did state, however i have shown evidence that suggest that it has not been manipulated (assuming you trust me as the source)
An interesting concept of security over the public internet, is that we know it isn't secure, but we still trust it enough to use it.
HTTPS with the little green icon in your browser, just means it is much less likely to be insecure" but in reality, there is a single point of failure in the HTTPS process that involves shady as fuck entities, aka Certificate Authorities. see http://www.howtogeek.com/182425/5-serious-problems-with-https-and-ssl-security-on-the-web/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/182425/5-serious-problems-with-https-and-ssl-security-on-the-web/)
But still, banks trust this system "enough" to allow you to transfer huge sums of money daily.
Let me make a counter question to you.
How will you construct an election over the internet that can prove authenticity with the following requirements
- Must not require custom client executed code
- Does not require the purchase of the client certificate...
- Does not require technical knowhow, e.g. port forwarding for creation of free client certificates. Not sure if such a service even exist, but it could i guess, something like LetsEncrypt.
Keep in mind, this is a game for most people.
Seems topic is locked, feel free to continue the conversation with me over pm's
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It comes down to reputable and credible providers and not some shady hillbilly American doing it from his bed room.
As I have mentioned, functionality to perform unique IP, mac, hardware address and cookie checks will go a long way to provide legitimacy.
Currently you perform IP address logging, but you seem uninclined to review this.
The choice is yours I guess, but don't expect acceptance of the validity of the outcome, even if it is just from myself, because I can promise you you won't stop hearing about it.
I had a valid claim of concern with the election and several comments agreed to the possibility.
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Muller, you had no valid claim of concern with the election. You provided 0 evidence or proof that election was iligitimate. You are jsut once again trying to steer things up and providing some drama.
People of fsp community voted, deal with it. If you are the only one not accepting or discrediting, to bad for you.
Now cry me a river, elections almost over. Rules will be enforced and such threads regarding the elections will be closed
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Bez, you seem to misunderstand how this works.
I have a claim, I am challenging YOU to prove that the result is legitimate.
And my claim is completely valid considering that I am a candidate in this election.
Your tyrannic dictatorship behavior with being in power is the very thing that I am attempting to prevent, because censoring innocent people does nothing by bring the community down and chase away players.
You might as well call yourself Facebook.